Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . PR Beyonder is avobe angels and HOTU Thanos is at presence level as I read in "The End" comics. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Followers. g2_ Follow 14321. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. I don't know a. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. • 1 year ago. 0. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. Adm1ralSnackbar. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Beyonder was stated to be MILLIONS of times more powerful than THE MULTI-VERSE(at the time equal to OMNI-VERSE) COMBINED. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. vs. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. Doctor Doom can steal/absorb power from PR Beyonder, Galactus, Asgardians, Nightmare, Life Force (Reality warping from HoM) etc but couldn't defeat Onslught? That is inconsistent. Wiki Points. 1958325779 • 2 yr. There are some moments where Beyonder was oddly weak during Secret Wars 2, but his consistent portrayal was ridiculous. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. A . Having incubated. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. Business, Economics, and Finance. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Since he knows past. Posts. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. TOAA is above all. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. Perfect teamwork. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. Basically this. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. deactivated-5edd330f57b65. 3rd. To put it simply, PR Beyonder barely thinks of destroying John Constantine, in. PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Start off twenty feet away. No chance of being omnipotent. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. #1. Follow 88. 9 years ago. Follow 6024. R4: Mr. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. Forums. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Follow 3935. Beyonder is the bigger god. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. unicron wins and heres why. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. 29. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. u/nullfather can attest to that. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. The Crimson King. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. #1. PR Beyonder wins. No. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. Manhattan's league. The art work and what not is horrible. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. #41 cdavis6149. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. 10 years ago. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. OrdinaryAlan. 1 year ago. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. Reviews: 4. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. K. 0. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. 4 years ago. Morals off. Reply reply more replies. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. KingOfAsh. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. 11 years ago. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. 14 from eithe side. Michael Demiurge. 7. No. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Manhattan are beings that. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. And of course the LT himself. The Demon of Elru. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. ". Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. Lucifer WINS. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. 5. Mike+Luxy would be at least equal to PR Beyonder/Molecule Man/Mandrakk/Living Tribunal. 10 months ago. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. I’m goin wit Batman. 0. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. Posted by u/galactusisathiccboi - 4 votes and 14 commentsLol at Battler stronger than PR Beyonder. 63 results. New Comics. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. M. Beyonder is the bigger god. Forum Posts. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Follow 7842. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. 9 years ago. The Beyonder, in his own universe, attacked Protege and almost instantly Protege neutralized, Beyonder copying his powers. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. (Cuz there are none. ago. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. #12 Edited By Pr_Beyonder @Crom-Cruach: Don't forget the regenerator G1 cell that allows Godzilla to regrow any amount of damage as long as he has regenerator cell present in his body,allowing him. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. So yeah, this is the same Beyonder that had PR Molecule Man crying on Vulcana's lap and decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. Forums. She/Her. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. " I agree for the most part,the way I see this. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. Lord Urizen. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. 6 years ago. 5. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. [deleted]Join Date. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. lazerbeak. Win by death, KO, incap PR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. 0. His isn't from another universe. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. i wanna hear mr. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. 9 years ago. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. She surpasses him in raw power by far. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 13 years. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. London, UK. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. 05-03. 0. So just assume that this the PR version of the Beyond realm. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. Follow 10594. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. Follow 26437. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. Just no. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. 8551. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. PR Beyonder. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Follow 8649. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. He. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. 13 years ago. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. 11,059. Forum Posts. . PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. 14 years ago Lance. The One Above All. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Report Save. 6 years ago deactivated. Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @AtPhantom said: "The wiki is kinda correct, since he gained the power of omega beams when he acquired the effect. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. 14 years ago. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Otherwise we're looking at LT-beating omnipotent vs. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. ) as regarding LT, you really must have. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. 8 years ago. I need to know please New Comics. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Round 1: No prep time. master. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Wiki Points. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. I'm not sure that PR MM is as strong as TLT because even when PR Beyonder and PR MM fought and stalemated, Beyonder as stated by MM only used a fraction of his power. 2. Follow 3313. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. Follow 15044. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. Follow 23177. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. 6th. The first thing here is this is only a character. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. is TOAA, or at least part of him. Follow 334. Fulcrum. HOTU Thanos. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . The Two fight in the beyond realm. 9 years ago. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. 7 years ago. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. Forum Posts. I do not believe he was omniscient and that is a big difference. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. The unfortunate thing is that Lucifer and Michael best most of the characters listed there,and only really get stalemated by like 2. @majestic99. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its.